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Simon's VB Challenge Gnine Loco

Postby Simon Andrews » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:33 pm

After a false start I have made a start on my VB Challenge loco. As O9 anb On18 were not included I chose to try something in Gnine inspired by some very small Swedish 2ft gauge prototypes.

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Above is a card and resin mock up, I have yet to add the canopy. I scaled up Andy A's plan to130% and relocated the boiler. I have yet to decide between plate frames and sprung axleboxes or tram skirts.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:49 pm

Like it Simon, nice and simple.
Have you got room in there for the cylinders :?: or are they under the footplate :?:
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Postby Simon Andrews » Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:56 pm

In my plan I imagine that the cylinders would be under the footplate which is why I am drawn to the tramway skirt.

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Postby dr5euss » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:33 pm

That's nice, I like the figure painting too - is that highlighted with white drybrush?

Is there a gap in the side on the other side of the loco? I can't really see from the angle of the photo, but you could move the brake to the other side and scoot the figure left a bit, giving him more room to get out?

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Postby Bob Taylor » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:05 pm

Oh yes! :shock:

Need one of those.


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Postby Simon Andrews » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:17 pm

Hi Goerge,

The figure is painted;- primer, base colour, low lites, high lites, lined with inks and finally dry brushed with white. There is an opening on the left. The controls may get moved about but I am planning a small coal bunker to the left of the boiler. The figure sits to one side as he is on the water tank and I plan to add a filler cap next to him.

Bob, I am glade you like it. After the initial setback I must admit its simple lines are growing on me too.

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Re: Simon's VB Challenge Gnine Loco

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Postby Bob Taylor » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:44 am

I do like it!, like it a lot. Nice and simple and non the worse for it. Given me some ideas I can tell you.

The finished loco should be a cracker!


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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:16 am

Simon Andrews wrote:The controls may get moved about but I am planning a small coal bunker to the left of the boiler.


Just a thought Simon, rather than a coal bunker, what about an oil tank. That way there would be no need for an ashpan underneath the boiler, or access to it. Just thinking that it would be a space saver on such a small loco to make it an oil burner rather than coal. I confess I dont know enough about kettles to know if it would work :) .
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Postby SOUTHPASS » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:26 am

Just a quick picture of an oil fired vertical boiler :)
http://www.steamboating.net/page6.html
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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:41 am

SOUTHPASS wrote:Just a quick picture of an oil fired vertical boiler :)
http://www.steamboating.net/page6.html


Damn, now you really got me thinking about it John, thats a very useful link.
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Postby Simon Andrews » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:53 am

Steve and John,
Oil firing is an interesting idea, I will have to give the size and location of a fuel tank some thought.

Christopher, below are the two locos and some links. If I am honest, they would work better as 15" or 18" models but there is something about the look of Gnine I find very attractive.

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http://fmbm.se/?lang=en&folder=events&chapter=2005&page=0505seadville
http://www.laurelltrains.se/?lang=en&folder=events&chapter=seadville05&page=page2


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http://www.hypatia.se/okj/_lok.htm

I found some measurements on the net some time ago, but did not note the site. Apologies to the author as I am unable to credit their research.

Frame 90 x 145 cm
Wheels 35 cm double flanged
Boiler 21 cm over top of rail, 47 cm diameter, 95 cm high
Chimney 12 cm diameter, 90 cm high
Roof 200 cm over top of rail, 100 x 93 cm

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Postby chris stockdale » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:25 pm

Simon Andrews wrote:
I found some measurements on the net some time ago, but did not note the site. Apologies to the author as I am unable to credit their research.

Frame 90 x 145 cm
Wheels 35 cm double flanged
Boiler 21 cm over top of rail, 47 cm diameter, 95 cm high
Chimney 12 cm diameter, 90 cm high
Roof 200 cm over top of rail, 100 x 93 cm




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Those measurements probably came from me.

See this topic in here :lol:

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=2717


Love that other loco btw.

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Postby Dave Westall » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:31 pm

It's a pity we can't see the other side of the green loco above.
I am intrigued by how they get the drive to the car differential unit. :?

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Postby SOUTHPASS » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:38 pm

Dave, to me it looks like there could be a shaft of some kind. Some sought of flat universal joint at the diff. nose.
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Postby Simon Andrews » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:34 pm

Chris wrote;

Those measurements probably came from me.


Mystery solved :)

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Postby chris stockdale » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:09 pm

Dave and Pat Westall wrote:It's a pity we can't see the other side of the green loco above.
I am intrigued by how they get the drive to the car differential unit. :?




Dave,

I have checked my pics and those on the Orkaggen website - no joy.

You could always try emailing Bo

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Postby Simon Andrews » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:31 pm

A quick update.

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I have made a start on the model. I went for plate frames, springs etc instead of a tram style skirt and used the Blackd Dog 09 ones instead of Steve's Gnine ones which in this case made the model look top heavy. As a result the model now has a false floor and will require doors to be fitted and the drivers ankles to be cut off.

In not choosing the tram skirt I have created a new problem, where to place the cylinders? Could the fit between the wheel sets driving one axle with chains linking the two axles together, or should I model the above the foot plate as shown? Any suggestions?

I found a suitable fuel tank which is place next to the drive on top of the water tank on the mock up. Next I will make a start on the canopy.

My original plan was to make an 09 or On18 model using spare Avalon and Black Dog components, on the model the is a 1/4" scale figure to give an idea how this may work out. I am planning to build this on a Halling bogie which will allow me to make a shorter and chunkier model hopefully in time for my layouts next outing.

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Postby Bob Taylor » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:59 pm

I can see no reason why the cylinders can't be between the frames. Looking good.


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Postby Simon Andrews » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:12 am

A quick update. Although I found a couple of prototype VBs with cylinders between the frames I was very impressed by the steam engines that others had modelled on the entries and therefore decided to try something similar.
I have added some plasticard rivet detail and have started on the overall canopy after getting hold of some brass rod at Shepton Mallet over the weekend.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:13 pm

I like it Simon, nicely cramped in there, as it should be :) . Very tempted to follow your lead yet again, good thing I'm too busy at the moment :wink: . Hopefully see it for real soon :wink: a not so subtle hint :lol: . Missed you on saturday, except for a nod in the distance :roll: hope to see you in more relaxed surroundings soon.
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Postby Simon Andrews » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:39 pm

Yes just a flying visit on Saturday :cry: I will bring it with me to Walton and with luck may have some new O9 stock aswell :D

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Postby Simon Andrews » Thu May 22, 2008 1:59 pm

A strange rusting hulk has appeared outside the workshop at Badgers Bottom. Staff are a little unsure as to whether it is the line's laters restoration project or in fact part of a new central heating system!

Over the last couple of days I have been working on my Gnine VB and have now started to prime it ready for paintng. Hopefully it should be finished by the end of the month :D

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Postby Trevor Coburn » Thu May 22, 2008 2:30 pm

Looks good Simon, very "Merrywetherish", looking forward to seeing the finished loco, (Fire Engine Red?)
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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu May 22, 2008 3:40 pm

Damn, wish you wouldnt sneak pics like that in here Simon :lol: so far I have managed to resist following your lead, but finding it very difficult :wink: . I really like your idea, especially seeing how small it was when seeing it for real. I think once you finish painting it, that will be it, resistance will be futile :) but i am looking forward to seeing it :) .
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