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Postby AndyA » Wed May 28, 2008 2:19 pm

I second the question over 'wood' colour. I really like that finish.

I'm assuming that the model itself is one-and-a-half 'Hank's, so...

is designed around a Bec motor unit, which would put most off.


...I'm not sure why, because my homebrew truck that post-dated the HAWE and pre-dated the new trucks, runs beautifully, based on your chassis kit. Equally, if you're still getting sales for the chassis I'd take a Tenshodo version... Or agnother BEC version, with sides 1mm higher (remember the DCC episode? No, I think I'm joking about that last. Probably).

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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed May 28, 2008 5:28 pm

AndyA wrote:I'm assuming that the model itself is one-and-a-half 'Hank's, so...


Yes, it is Andy, just a duplication of the end platforms, handrails etc. Only thing that had to be modified was to file a couple of grooves in the end of the deck casting so it would fit between the handrails, on the single ended version, it just overhangs the end very slightly.

The main problem with the Bec mechanism I suspect, is availability. They are now back in production from a new source. I havent had one from the new makers yet, but understand that there are no changes to the design at all, so should be just as good as before. Same web address, but alas, no online ordering facility.
http://www.btinternet.com/~BecKits/

They also seem to be available from here
http://homepages.tesco.net/j.d.whitehouse2/

I still produce the underframes to go with them and can do most of the loco kits to accept them, should anybody want to use them. In fact, a lot I can supply from stock :wink: .
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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed May 28, 2008 10:42 pm

Steve Bennett wrote:I will do a write up on the method this evening.


Make that tomorrow evening, didnt get time tonight, sorry.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri May 30, 2008 3:28 pm

Steve Bennett wrote:Make that tomorrow evening, didnt get time tonight, sorry.


Finally done and what a job it was, got there in the end though :wink: .
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Re: Jim's Railtruck

Postby Alexanderrainer » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:53 am

Christoph wrote:Sorry Jim :oops:

I had to build, your Railtruck now . :wink:

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It shines still to something, the color is not yet drying.

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Everything is from cardboard 1.2 mm. The exhaust is brass.
Now I need the Bachmann drive.
Where I can buy that, Steve?

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Ah, sorry Jim and Christoph,

I couldn't resist to begin my polystyrol version:

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Some details to be made like a handle, paint, weathering etc.

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Postby Simon Andrews » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:12 pm

That looks very nice 8)

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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:54 am

With Gerry updating this on his Loco Shed trawl, it reminded me that I have been meaning to try a Halling KSW motor bogie under one of these self propelled vehicles. As it turned out, it was even easier than I expected, so a quick post to show how.

All that is needed is a 2mm or 0.080" spacer above the power bogie and some double sided sticky tape. I used a piece of 2mm/0.080 Styrene sheet cut to fit the top of the motor bogie, wrapped the double sided tape around it and popped it straight in. A couple of pics to illustrate :

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Placed into the underside of the loco:
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That was it, really simple, so I put it straight to work down at Simplicity Sidings where they are busy with the seasons traffic :)
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Anybody who has used one of these Halling units will know how good they are, for those that havent, they run very well, smooth, quiet and superb control.
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Postby bonneville » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:53 pm

I've just caught up with this thread. Wow! I do like these!
Would it be feasable to have one of these in a horticultural or estate setting?

I' d really like to make one, just don't know if it would be suitable.

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:14 pm

Certainly Alex, if my memory is correct that's what many Hawes were used for. I'm sure Steve or our Continental members will correct me if I've boobed. :wink:
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Postby bonneville » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:23 pm

That's good enough for me Gerry!
I don't think I need much of an excuse to build one. :D

Now all I need is a motor bogie.....

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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:07 pm

Well these were imagineered but based rather loosely on the vehicles produced by HAWE in the Netherlands for use in greenhouses, as Gerry rightly said.
To see the real thing that inspired several different variants of this type of vehicle, here is a link to a site all about the restoration of one which also gives a potted history on them, you will need a translator though unless you can read dutch :lol:
http://www.tuindersspoor.nl/
You will I'm sure find the photo album especially useful if you want to build one yourself. Leo who is restoring them is also a gnatterbox member, though not a regular participant as he prefers the full size versions.
There is plenty about these vehicles scattered around the forum too, though most of the prototype photos have disappeared over the years. A search for "HAWE" will take you days to go through, as they have been a very popular modelling subject :)
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Postby bonneville » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:06 pm

Thank you Steve!

I feel a hawe truck brewing. Will keep you all posted!

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Postby Oztrainz » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:18 am

Hi Alex, Steve and all
:twisted: :idea: Off course you could always heavy things up a little :wink:
and still stay battery-electric under the deck... built around a Bachmann On30 streetcar mechanism.
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Postby michael » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:46 am

Wow I see that this thread started in 2005, thisa isa a real testament to the staying power of thisa site!

I might just have to try one of these myself I'm sure Bertrand would find it useful around the works.
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Postby Mozzer » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:39 pm

heres one i built
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Postby JeffSaxton » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:49 pm

They're universally fun! Here is one I built in 7/8n2 based on the American made version built by "Jeffrey".

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Postby Blackcloud Railways » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:53 pm

An easy self propelled trolley for minimum gaugers working in O9 is the old Dinky BEV (British Electric Vehicles) on a Kato tram chassis.
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:11 pm

The main problem with the Bec mechanism I suspect, is availability. They are now back in production from a new source. I havent had one from the new makers yet, but understand that there are no changes to the design at all, so should be just as good as before. Same web address, but alas, no online ordering facility.
http://www.btinternet.com/~BecKits/

Link from May 2008 gets this result on Christmas Eve 2012
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Postby mad gerald » Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:13 pm

G'evening all,

well, if it's about HaWe, I'd like to add my project (on hold at the moment):

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http://www.de.feldbahnmodellbau.de/lokomotiven-hawe-triebfahrzeug/
http://www.en.feldbahnmodellbau.de/motive-power/hawe-trolley/

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Postby Blackcloud Railways » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:27 am

mad gerald wrote: (on hold at the moment):



Looks more as if it's on bricks. Has somebody stolen the wheels?

:roll: :lol:

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Postby joe gilmartin » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:12 pm

Well...........
Everyone else seems to have built one
so i figured what the hey.........

Std. Kato Underframe

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Top of same

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Gnine HaWe Frame

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Calls from upstairs dinner must be ready!!

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Postby Oztrainz » Tue Dec 25, 2012 11:30 pm

Gnice Gneat work Joe. Hope you enjoy your Christmas dinner
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Postby michael » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:44 am

actually I haven't built one yet.
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Postby KEG » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:26 am

I do not even plan to build one. But I like this one

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It´s a Bleichert, built in Leipzig.

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Postby backwaterscotland » Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:40 am

Willow Creek Traction wrote:
The main problem with the Bec mechanism I suspect, is availability. They are now back in production from a new source. I havent had one from the new makers yet, but understand that there are no changes to the design at all, so should be just as good as before. Same web address, but alas, no online ordering facility.
http://www.btinternet.com/~BecKits/

Link from May 2008 gets this result on Christmas Eve 2012


BEC kits website is now http://www.bec-kits.co.uk/ but they no longer supply the mechanisms.

It appears that the BEC mechanisms are now supplied by "Ian Williams - The Tram Man" : http://www.tramwayinfo.com/Tramframe.htm?http://www.tramwayinfo.com/Models/Makersuk/Tramman.htm

No online ordering or prices though.

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