Bassett Lowke Class 10, 20, 30 and 60

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Postby Geno6309 » Tue May 20, 2008 1:39 am

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Postby Peter » Tue May 20, 2008 1:55 pm

It's not our fault the UK hasn't upgraded to the English 2.1b package yet :P
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Postby AndyA » Wed May 21, 2008 7:00 am

It's not our fault the UK hasn't upgraded to the English 2.1b package yet Razz


Actually, from a strict linguistic point of view, the UK has upgraded whilst the US is still using version 1.3.0.8 ("Shakespeare"), although the West Coast seems to have service pack 2 installed. :)

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Postby davidpk212 » Thu May 22, 2008 8:03 pm

Any progress? I've been thinking of bashing something into "George," a loco seen on "Hoyland Down," a garden at the RHS Malvern Flower Show just a short while ago. At least, I think it was called George... it looked very Bassett-Lowke-esque, as well... I think I'd like to learn more about the loco first, though. If anyone has any info about it, please PM me.

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Postby Steph'H » Thu May 22, 2008 9:03 pm

Hi David,

Here is a link to the website of the Downs School railway, who built the garden at Malvern.

http://www.dlrtrust.ik.com/p_HomePage.ikml

If you go to the locomotive page a photo of "George" is on there and there are more if you click on the image.

Following the Class 60 conversion with great interest, love it!

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Postby DCRfan » Sun May 25, 2008 10:05 am

Finally sorted out the bogies. The tender buffer beam and coal were both cut from the original tender.

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Postby davidpk212 » Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:00 pm

I just realised - any reason for choosing the Bachmann model over the Hornby one? Do Hornby even do one, or am I wrong again? Hmm?

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Postby DCRfan » Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:01 pm

The Bachmann one was in the shop. Never seen a Hornby one.
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Postby michael » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:10 am

So you stuck with the blue :!: ...... pity ...... Maroon would have looked great :!: :twisted: :roll: :wink:
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Postby Bob Taylor » Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:46 pm

May be of some help despite the delay in posting them. Sorry Paul. Various detail pictures of the cab area of River Mite Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway 2008.

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Postby DCRfan » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:19 am

Thanks great pictures and very timely.
Wasn't aware an ejector mechanism was fitted for unwanted co-drivers/passengers :wink: When seated ejector (bungy cord) is hooked to person in left hand side. When the passenger talks too much the driver pulls back large lever on the right and the person is ejected into the countryside :lol: :lol:
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Postby Brack » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:46 pm

sorry to re-awaken an old thread, but is there anywhere cheap/free for a good source of drawings for the class 30 atlantic? (or the sutton's - they're pretty much a 30) I like the class 60 too, but quite fancied having a bash at the atlantic as a very long term O9 project (when I've finished my 45% done garratt). Can't quite remember if there were side elevations in the ravenglass book, but thats at my dads house.

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Postby Rob R » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:37 pm

As far as I rememember there is a full General Arrangement drawing in the Ravenglass Book (buried in the loft at the moment and SWMBO will start winging if I go up there now :( )

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Postby DCRfan » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:50 pm

Brack wrote:sorry to re-awaken an old thread, but is there anywhere cheap/free for a good source of drawings for the class 30 atlantic? (or the sutton's - they're pretty much a 30) I like the class 60 too, but quite fancied having a bash at the atlantic as a very long term O9 project (when I've finished my 45% done garratt). Can't quite remember if there were side elevations in the ravenglass book, but thats at my dads house.


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Postby JackBlack » Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:09 am

I'm making my layout like that but a miniture railway. :) :)
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Postby Brack » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:37 am

have prised open the wallet to fund acquisition of a copy of the sutton book. Thanks DCR fan - Any drawings gratefully received, It'd be nice if there were a section on the gnatterbox where (copyright permitting) we could put drawings of 15" stock for non-profit modelling only. perhaps their may be less issues if the section was members only?

just thinking out loud - I know there are loads of legal issues around this, but many miniature railways are pretty modeller-friendly in terms of giving away drawings, presumably its good PR, good publicity if people see a model, and modellers often come to have a look at what they're building. Maybe it'd be easier to give away drawings on one place than answer repeated SAE requests?

feel free to shoot the idea down in flames - I know its likely too problematic, but it would be nice!

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Postby DCRfan » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:44 am

Well I've done my bit having drawn all the rollingstock and freely shared copies of said drawings of New Zelands prime 381mm gauge railway (the DCR).

With all our UK members you would only have to make 1 drawing each :P

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Postby chris krupa » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:23 am

A year or two ago I asked Severn Lamb whether they would let me have a drawing of one of their Santa Fe steam outline locomotives and got no reply. I know there are illustrative drawings on their web site but they are not detailed enough for model making purposes. One would have thought that the publicity of a model would have been useful.

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:38 am

chris krupa wrote:A year or two ago I asked Severn Lamb whether they would let me have a drawing of one of their Santa Fe steam outline locomotives and got no reply. I know there are illustrative drawings on their web site but they are not detailed enough for model making purposes. One would have thought that the publicity of a model would have been useful.

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Postby chris krupa » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:39 am

Hi Gavin, at the time, the 10 1/4 inch gauge version.

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Postby Colin Peake » Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:35 am

To some degree, I can understand a commercial builder being rather reluctant to pass on drawings of one of their product lines. Whilst the chance of someone building a full size copy from them is slim, they perhaps feel they cannot take the risk. There are at least a couple of locos in the States that do appear to be 'reverse engineered' Severn Lamb products.

I once heard a story of an enthusiast who approached a Midlands engineering firm for loco drawings and was told he could buy them for £35... he declined!

Somewhere I do have an outline of one of the Rio Grande locos to 7mm scale, drawn up from known dimensions at the time. I really ought to measure the one my friend now owns :wink:

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:36 am

chris krupa wrote:Hi Gavin, at the time, the 10 1/4 inch gauge version.

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...thought you meant to prototype AT&SF plans (which I can lay my hands on). They are only basic 'index' type plans, but have a lot of dimentions on them, enough, along with some good photos, to get a reasonable model.
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Postby rockershovel » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:45 am

good clear picture of the Severn Lamb loco at Ferry Meadows here

http://www.ferrymeadowsrailway.co.uk/News.htm

looking at it, the details seem to be indicative at best, ie the general impression of a steam loco but that's all. If you had the dimensions about right it would be an easy thing to make.

I have to admit, I haven't paid this railway any serious attention for a long while, despite living within walking distance. I've never been a great fan of 'steam outline' , particularly the 'diesel with a chimney' variety and the current loco is of this type.

I used to take the kids on it when they were small, but it had a real steamer then and anyway, they are grown now. It also has the great disadvantage of being a few hundred yards from the full-size Nene Valley railway, which runs full-size main line and imported Scandinavian locos, so it has a lot of competition.

maybe I'll have a stroll down there next time I'm home
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Postby Brack » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:10 pm

Yeah, not a huge steam outline fan either - although the ones done well (the hudswell ones are nice looking beats though, although I'm still not a huge fan). But I agree, with a steam outline loco it must be much simpler to reverse engineer from a scale outline drawing than it would be with a steam loco.

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Postby chris krupa » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:58 pm

I was very careful to explain what I wanted the drawings for and, I suspect, my name as a modeller is not unknown amongst the interneterati. Still, a nice refusal would have been helpful.

I've now sold the layout that I intended the Severn Lamb to run on but if I had access to drawings, I would be prepared to build another.

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