Bassett Lowke Class 10, 20, 30 and 60

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Bassett Lowke Class 10, 20, 30 and 60

Postby DCRfan » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:08 am

Anyone ever considered making a model of these original minimum gauge locos?

I saw a second hand Dapol 2F at this weekends exhibition and it got me thinking sufficiently to return today with a scale drawing of a Class 30.

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Clearly it could only be a very loose inspired by rendition. The overall loco + tender length is pretty close but the cons are in the majority:

- missing the trailing axle
- 3 axle rather than twin bogie tender but like Class 10
- drive onto front rather than rear main wheel.

Despite that it could probably be made into something vaguely resembling a B&L product.

At $75, it seemed pretty steep for second hand loco that was so far from the prototype and naturally because it was a steam loco (cough, splutter, sit down while impure thoughts go away :lol:) I was able resist and I brought a country sounds sound chip instead :roll:.
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Postby Colin Peake » Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:00 pm

Probably for the best Paul. All the Bassett Lowke Atlantics had a coupled wheelbase that is not achieveable using a RTR 4-4-0 chassis. They are in fact much more like a cut down Pacific or 4-6-0 in construction.

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Postby michael » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:11 am

And I have been working really hard at converting a Lima Fowler class 4 into a Johnson 2P

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I guess I go back into my corner and cry :roll:
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Postby DCRfan » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:23 am

Well today I've taken the plunge. First you may notice the thread title has changed as I've now included the Class 60 4-6-2 tender loco.

WARNING Thomas fans read no further as a Thomas loco will be butchered during this build :twisted:

As the basis of an 'inspired by' model I've purchased a Bachmann Gordon to turn into a Gigantic or Colossus Class 60.
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I've yet to measure it all up but the tender will definitely go and perhaps also the boiler and cab.

Does anyone have a Bachmann parts diagram of the loco as I can't find it on the Bachmann Trains website.
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Postby MickT » Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:08 pm

Hi Paul,

I've had similar thoughts for a Greenly style atlantic but along 0-9 lines, however, logic would be the same for a Gn15 one:

00 0-4-0 chassis would be no good as the coupled wheelbase is too long to make it into an atlantic.

Best bet in my opinion would be to get hold of an old 4-6-0 and remove the rear drivers. As most British 00 6 coupled locos are driven on the centre axle, this shouldn't pose too big a problem. A tender driven example would be another option. I've done an 0-9 chop of a Fleischman Prussian 4-6-0 (tender drive) chassis that I picked up very cheap from a local fleamarket stall to make it into an atlantic, with the original intention of emulating something like a class 30, but as it came with very nice outside valve gear which I thought I would keep, the idea is now leaning towards something more related to a 15" gauge version of a Curwen atlantic.

A final conclusion that I came to was that both the class 10 and 20 are very small engines indeed and I think the only way you could get close to them by bashing a commercial chassis for a Gn15 version would be to re-gauge a TT one or find a very small HO 6 coupled loco to use a a basis - hmm there's an idea! :idea: :D

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:24 pm

the question of loco size and gauge is also something which needs to be considered. I think the RH DR locos are 1/3rd scale on 1/4 scale gauge track. The nearest models to this are Triang TT gauge locos in 1/32 scale.
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Postby DCRfan » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:56 pm

After stripping and measuring the chassis I have determined that a fairly accurate 1:24th Class 60 can be built on a Gordon chassis however it will be about 12% oversize (or about half that for the upper end of G scale).

The most important thing is it will look fairly good for the occasional run through on the straighter sections of proposed layout.
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:09 am

DCRfan wrote:... as a Thomas loco will be butchered during this build :twisted:


And that's a problem, how :?: :lol:

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Postby DCRfan » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:47 am

Darn, hit the first bump in the road. Can anyone tell me, or even better post a picture, on what the inside of the drivers position in the tender looks like. I assume there is some sort of flap or door behind the driver for him/her to get coal from the hopper.
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Postby DCRfan » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:15 am

DCRfan wrote:Darn, hit the first bump in the road.


How prophetic my words were- well almost :cry: Last night I was wrapping a sheet of 0.5mm plastic card around a 25.4mm diameter piece of brass rod with masking tape before heating it in the oven to make a new boiler barrel. I wanted it really tight so I was applying a fair amount of pressure to the masking tape when it ripped in half.

You guessed it, my hand holding the bar flew up and I managed to hit myself across the nose with the brass bar resulting in a nice cut, tears in the eyes and a rather swollen nose :oops: :oops:

Ever get the feeling some models were not meant to be made :roll:
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Postby michael » Thu May 01, 2008 5:34 am

I am interested in seeing how this all works out Paul, Funny how we manage to damage ourselves whilst doing simple things. The end of my left index finger is finally useable again now that the 4 stitches are out and the slice is healed. I was reaching for the utility knife in the toolbox when it decided that it didnt want to come out of the box, my grip kept coming along the blade! ouch :!:

Anyway back to Gordon, I was looking at one myself the other day and started thinking..... no :shock: I have too much on my plate at the moment.
I have to keep leaving the house these days, now that the Real Estate boys are showing it to prospective buyers.
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Postby DCRfan » Thu May 01, 2008 10:12 am

Michael,

Heres progress.
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So far I've removed the lip below the footplate, replaced the boiler as I wanted a larger diameter and I didn't like the vertical plate supporting it, extended the inside of the footplate by 2mm on each side and filled in the cab side windows in preparation to cut new ones and to raising the cab by about 3-5mm. It's currently just sitting on the chassis.
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Postby michael » Thu May 01, 2008 4:31 pm

Yes it definitly looks more Basset Lowke now.
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Postby DCRfan » Sat May 03, 2008 10:35 am

The first ever Gn15 Class 60 (or have other models been made? :roll: ) is now really starting to look the part with funnel and steam dome cut off Gordon. The cab roof has been extended and sides reshaped. Also a start has been made scratchbuilting the tender.

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Anyone know what colour the original was as John Anthony or later as Colossus.
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Postby Dave Westall » Sat May 03, 2008 11:42 am

That looks spot on Paul. :D :D

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Postby Simon Andrews » Sat May 03, 2008 2:58 pm

Looks great Paul. I have seen a hand coloured picture of John Anthony in NGR livery similar to this. http://matts.trains.fotopic.net/p49187507.html

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Sat May 03, 2008 4:28 pm

A great start :!: :!:
This gives you a chance to model, sand, shingle and scrub. They also have some great homemade bridges on the line.

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Postby DCRfan » Sat May 03, 2008 9:44 pm

Simon Andrews wrote:Looks great Paul. I have seen a hand coloured picture of John Anthony in NGR livery similar to this. http://matts.trains.fotopic.net/p49187507.html

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Thanks for the link as it includes a picture of Synoldia's backplate. I've spent some time last night going through all the books & mags I have unsuccessfully trying to find a picture of a Bassett-Lowke backplate.
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Postby david colley jnr » Sun May 04, 2008 3:50 pm

Paul, i have a copy of the GA for Collosus on my PC, it prints up well to A0 so is quite a large file, but if you'd like a compressed version, drop me an e-mail using the jigsaw e-mail link on the web page and i'll scoot one over to you.
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Postby Gavin Sowry » Sun May 04, 2008 9:21 pm

DCRfan wrote:The first ever Gn15 Class 60 (or have other models been made? :roll: ) is now really starting to look the part with funnel and steam dome cut off Gordon. The cab roof has been extended and sides reshaped. Also a start has been made scratchbuilting the tender.

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Anyone know what colour the original was as John Anthony or later as Colossus.


:roll: So, we will see this Tuesday night then?
Bring camera, Haywards has some additions worth reporting on. 8)
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Postby DCRfan » Mon May 05, 2008 6:42 am

Gavin Sowry wrote:So, we will see this Tuesday night then?
Bring camera, Haywards has some additions worth reporting on. 8)


Yes, will bring camera
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Postby jameswaterfield » Mon May 05, 2008 10:12 am

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John Anthony at Staughton Manor when new. I think some of the very early pics show it it works grey. This is a contemporary Loco Publishing card

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Postby DCRfan » Mon May 05, 2008 12:30 pm

James,

Simply Gniffy :lol: :lol: :lol: Thanks a million. Even the dress of the driver was just what I have been thinking of or too much time looking at Sand Hutton photos. Perhaps I've seen it somewhere before :shock:

And even if it was not the actual colour I like it. Royal Blue(?) it is :P
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Postby jameswaterfield » Mon May 05, 2008 1:45 pm

I think it about Great Eastern railway colours. Quite a dark blue
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Postby michael » Tue May 06, 2008 3:40 am

Paul I think that once you paint it royal blue it it will look absolutely stunning. Go for it I am looking forward to seeing the final result. Even though I'm sad you didn't choose Maroon. :roll:
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